Posts by Jonathan Drake

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Sam's watch

by Slidin Fast in

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i just started to watch the february broadcast when i noticed a metallic rattle over the drone of sam's voice.

(does that man speak with a mouth full of chowin' tobacco or is he choking on the rubbish he reads off the autocue?).

yep it's his rolex.

Jonathan Drake

His watch definitely has a blue V at the 12 o'clock.

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Jesus died for US...technically

by enigma1863 in

for god so loved the world he gave his only begotten son and then took him back.

that's not love, its a big legal loophole.

people have technically died in the past, and by the standards of diagnosing death in bible times you could definitely beat 48 hrs and return.

Jonathan Drake

There are some serious errors and evident lack of biblical as well as biblical era cultural knowledge in both of these posts.

Im not going to get into it though. If you'd like to know the proper perspective I'm willing to supply the verses with explanation.

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I was shy on my first JW.ORG Video, I am so happy sharing God's Organization with you!

by JWCart1975 in

jw.org is the fastest growing media outlet in the world, our local cobe said we are going to take the media from satan's wicked world!

repent before it's too late and come back to the kingdom hall with all your loving brothers and sisters!

you won't find happiness without jehovah's organization and you know it!

What at happens if I don't return? You believe I will die. You therefore judge all who are not JW as deserving of death. But in John 5 it says not even the almighty judges anyone at all, only the Christ. Sounds like you're overstepping your bounds to me.

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The rings

by Jonathan Drake in

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i'm sure someone somewhere has asked this question, but along with the contempt written on morris face i've also noticed the club ring.

im sure you've all noticed it.

does anyone have any insider information on the gold rings they where?

Jonathan Drake

I'm sure someone somewhere has asked this question, but along with the contempt written on Morris face I've also noticed the club ring.

im sure you've all noticed it. Does anyone have any insider information on the gold rings they where? It's not all GB members, it seems to be just higher ranked people- at some point they get their ring and then they start their celebrity life.

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Apocalyptic 2 Esdras 2

by Doug Mason in

await your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the end of the age is close at hand.

be ready for the rewards of the kingdom.

... receive what the lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms..

Jonathan Drake

All Christians and Jews consider Ezra and Nehemiah to be canonical. Jews, Roman Catholics, and Protestants do not generally recognize 1 Esdras and 2 Esdras as being canonical. Eastern Orthodox generally consider 1 Esdras to be canonical, but not 2 Esdras. The Jewish Apocalypse of Ezra is part of the Syriac and Ethiopian traditions and in the Apocrypha of the Armenian Church.

CAUTION: the above was taken from wiki - not necessarily trustworthy.

This would make sense. According to the bible the original purpose was for the Jews to accept the messiah. But they didn't. It makes sense this could be a vision of the end of that era where the Jews accepted Christ. But as it became more apparent they would not, and then they didn't, the means by which the purpose was to be realized changed.

So I have trouble seeing what this proves, even if it resembles revelation. If it was an older writing than revelation from a source other than Jewish or Christian in nature then there would be room to make an argument.

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Apocalyptic 2 Esdras 2

by Doug Mason in

await your shepherd; he will give you everlasting rest, because he who will come at the end of the age is close at hand.

be ready for the rewards of the kingdom.

... receive what the lord has entrusted to you and be joyful, giving thanks to him who has called you to heavenly kingdoms..

Jonathan Drake

The point is.......?

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Prank call to Governing Body member Anthony Morris III gets through

by Watchtower-Free in

alert..............alert.....breaking news .......... john cedars of jwsurvey has pranked called governing body member anthony morris iii at bethel .

over 2 minutes of pranking .

as i type he is editing the recording into a video .

Jonathan Drake

@OUTLAW...agreed...I'm getting slated on other exjw sites for similar views...

Saw this, well done IMO. You remained far more civil than I would have.

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Could a religion caught up in abuse and fraud possibly be "true"?

by Jonathan Drake in

i recently had a discussion with a witness in which we were talking about the catholic church.

i led them out with talk about the fraud and child abuse scandals and everyone was agreeing and making comments about how terrible it is and how obviously wrong they are.

after about 30 minutes of solid rapport building in this manner, even incorporating scriptures regarding some doctrinal errors in their doctrine (catholic), i said this:.

Jonathan Drake

Vidiot18 minutes ago
Jonathan Drake - "Could a religion caught up in abuse and fraud possibly be 'true'?"
Nope.
And they've even said so themselves.

Omg your right! I need to find that quote! I bet it's on that jwfacts page cappy posted. I need to read that article in full when I get time later.

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Prank call to Governing Body member Anthony Morris III gets through

by Watchtower-Free in

alert..............alert.....breaking news .......... john cedars of jwsurvey has pranked called governing body member anthony morris iii at bethel .

over 2 minutes of pranking .

as i type he is editing the recording into a video .

Jonathan Drake

Trust me, the GB know to hang up once they are asked questions as mentioned Jonathan. They know a person would be recording it if they went through the trouble to ask them the questions.

It it doesn't stop them in person (conventions, bethel meetings, yearly meeting, zone visit) and if we are going to credit them with being smart enough to know they are being recorded on the phone then surely they know they are being recorded at these events. Yet they keep showing their true colors and saying insane things. To imagine him talking to a confused bethelite or brother saying lying is okay if it's theocratic warfare is no stretch, especially since a previous comment explained why he even picked up the phone to begin with. (It likely appears to come from within bethel)

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Prank call to Governing Body member Anthony Morris III gets through

by Watchtower-Free in

alert..............alert.....breaking news .......... john cedars of jwsurvey has pranked called governing body member anthony morris iii at bethel .

over 2 minutes of pranking .

as i type he is editing the recording into a video .

Jonathan Drake

He did not think he would actually, ever get through

As far as this goes, I grow tired of reading it. If you are passionate about something then you will not blow your chance just because it surprises you. If you are fixated on Anthony Morris and his outrageous comments (which cedars is), if you've run through your mind what you'd like to say to him and even made videos about it (which cedars has), then regardless of whether it surprised you that he answered or not you'd have been able to articulate your passionate feelings well and without challenge.

The truth is that cedars didn't care if he got through, which is why he was unprepared for the possibility. And instead of addressing real issues, he ignored the likes of Candace Conti, the scandal of draining bank accounts, and various other real important matters. He used this only has a stunt for attention to himself specifically because he views the real important matters as inferior to his own ideas, his own battles, and his own ego. That's very clearly who he is, and this proves it if nothing else about his behavior thus far has been sufficient.